Comments for Sacha's Weblog http://sacha.labourey.com Onward! Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:55:50 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on SUN vs./and ORCL: the failure of the dual licensing model? by Si Chen http://sacha.labourey.com/2009/10/25/sun-vs-and-orcl-the-failure-of-the-dual-licensing-model/#comment-1472 Si Chen Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:55:50 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=406#comment-1472 Yes, you are right. MySQL is probably just not a big deal to a company as big as ORCL either way. I wonder if the problem with "freeing MySQL" is just that SUNW (haha the old NASDAQ ticker, before JAVA) paid so much for it that if ORCL "freed" MySQL by selling it back out, they would have to take a big write-down? Yes, you are right. MySQL is probably just not a big deal to a company as big as ORCL either way. I wonder if the problem with “freeing MySQL” is just that SUNW (haha the old NASDAQ ticker, before JAVA) paid so much for it that if ORCL “freed” MySQL by selling it back out, they would have to take a big write-down?

]]> Comment on [FR] Paris JUG – Sorbonne! by Cyrille Le Clerc http://sacha.labourey.com/2010/02/01/fr-paris-jug-sorbonne/#comment-1471 Cyrille Le Clerc Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:39:31 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=429#comment-1471 Je ne veux pas te mettre la pression mais tu donneras le premier Keynote de l'histoire du Paris JUG ! :-) Nous t'attendons avec impatience, Cyrille Je ne veux pas te mettre la pression mais tu donneras le premier Keynote de l’histoire du Paris JUG ! :-)

Nous t’attendons avec impatience,

Cyrille

]]> Comment on [FR] Paris JUG – Sorbonne! by Noel http://sacha.labourey.com/2010/02/01/fr-paris-jug-sorbonne/#comment-1470 Noel Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:38:18 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=429#comment-1470 Tant pis, je le fais : "tu me la sors bonne !" Tant pis, je le fais : “tu me la sors bonne !”

]]> Comment on [FR] Paris JUG – Sorbonne! by Sacha http://sacha.labourey.com/2010/02/01/fr-paris-jug-sorbonne/#comment-1469 Sacha Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:44:54 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=429#comment-1469 bonne décision pour le pyjama ;) bonne décision pour le pyjama ;)

]]> Comment on [FR] Paris JUG – Sorbonne! by Noel http://sacha.labourey.com/2010/02/01/fr-paris-jug-sorbonne/#comment-1468 Noel Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:42:33 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=429#comment-1468 Je laisserai mon "pyjama" Red Hat au vestiaire. Mais je peux venir avec ça (http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_12) pour toi. Je laisserai mon “pyjama” Red Hat au vestiaire. Mais je peux venir avec ça (http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_12) pour toi.

]]> Comment on [FR] Paris JUG – Sorbonne! by Romain GUINOT http://sacha.labourey.com/2010/02/01/fr-paris-jug-sorbonne/#comment-1467 Romain GUINOT Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:14:31 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=429#comment-1467 Excellent :) Excellent :)

]]> Comment on [FR] Paris JUG – Sorbonne! by Sacha http://sacha.labourey.com/2010/02/01/fr-paris-jug-sorbonne/#comment-1466 Sacha Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:53:18 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=429#comment-1466 Cool, à la semaine prochaine. A l'attention de Noël toutefois, une précision sur ce qu'est un JUG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnRPYGbmcfA Je ne voudrais pas décevoir ses attentes. Cool, à la semaine prochaine.

A l’attention de Noël toutefois, une précision sur ce qu’est un JUG:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnRPYGbmcfA

Je ne voudrais pas décevoir ses attentes.

]]> Comment on [FR] Paris JUG – Sorbonne! by Romain GUINOT http://sacha.labourey.com/2010/02/01/fr-paris-jug-sorbonne/#comment-1465 Romain GUINOT Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:19:52 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=429#comment-1465 J'y serais! et à priori Noel aussi :) A la semaine prochaine ça va représenter grave J’y serais! et à priori Noel aussi :)

A la semaine prochaine ça va représenter grave

]]> Comment on SUN vs./and ORCL: the failure of the dual licensing model? by Andrew C. Oliver http://sacha.labourey.com/2009/10/25/sun-vs-and-orcl-the-failure-of-the-dual-licensing-model/#comment-1463 Andrew C. Oliver Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:51:50 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=406#comment-1463 In the end I think there are even more problems with the "disruptive 'pro' upgrade" model. Often times the cost of redeployment from say "OurStuff DontUseThisProductOrItWillEatYourBrane Edition" to "OurStuff AwesomeThanksForPurchasing Edition" will dwarf all money paid over the life of the business relationship. The "right" way to do those is by keeping the "pro" version point-for-point compatible (i.e. springs Enterprise jars are drop in replacements that require no real effort) and this should be value-add not "or we won't do any other kind of business with you"... I agree on the value add problems of the dual-license model. Just I think those aren't well understood yet and haven't been business problems for the vendors yet. I think this may change that. In the end I think there are even more problems with the “disruptive ‘pro’ upgrade” model. Often times the cost of redeployment from say “OurStuff DontUseThisProductOrItWillEatYourBrane Edition” to “OurStuff AwesomeThanksForPurchasing Edition” will dwarf all money paid over the life of the business relationship. The “right” way to do those is by keeping the “pro” version point-for-point compatible (i.e. springs Enterprise jars are drop in replacements that require no real effort) and this should be value-add not “or we won’t do any other kind of business with you”… I agree on the value add problems of the dual-license model. Just I think those aren’t well understood yet and haven’t been business problems for the vendors yet. I think this may change that.

]]> Comment on VMWare acquisition of SpringSource: thoughts. by Sacha http://sacha.labourey.com/2009/08/13/vmware-acquisition-of-springsource-thoughts/#comment-1462 Sacha Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:12:49 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=378#comment-1462 Si Chen, There is always a "stickiness" to Open Source communities and that is really what VMWare was after. Through that acquisition, they suddenly "exist" for tens of thousands of Java developers (up from 0). The part I like about this acquisition is that if that had acquired an AS vendor, they would "only" get developers working on that specific product. By acquiring SS, they get a share of WS developers, a share of WL developers, a share of JBoss developers, etc. This is really a cross-cutting share of the Java Enterprise market. Si Chen,

There is always a “stickiness” to Open Source communities and that is really what VMWare was after. Through that acquisition, they suddenly “exist” for tens of thousands of Java developers (up from 0). The part I like about this acquisition is that if that had acquired an AS vendor, they would “only” get developers working on that specific product. By acquiring SS, they get a share of WS developers, a share of WL developers, a share of JBoss developers, etc. This is really a cross-cutting share of the Java Enterprise market.

]]> Comment on SUN vs./and ORCL: the failure of the dual licensing model? by Sacha http://sacha.labourey.com/2009/10/25/sun-vs-and-orcl-the-failure-of-the-dual-licensing-model/#comment-1461 Sacha Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:57:48 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=406#comment-1461 I agree, they will most probably not do that. But I don't think the reason lies in the lost revenues since MySQL revenues are probably equal to 3 working days of ORCL revenues... No, I don't think they are going to do it because they have other things to do, like... running a business. As for the other DBs, yes plenty of alternatives exist but MySQL is really the crown symbol of FOSS DB, other DBs have never been able to catch up on that front - whatever their technical merits are. I agree, they will most probably not do that. But I don’t think the reason lies in the lost revenues since MySQL revenues are probably equal to 3 working days of ORCL revenues… No, I don’t think they are going to do it because they have other things to do, like… running a business. As for the other DBs, yes plenty of alternatives exist but MySQL is really the crown symbol of FOSS DB, other DBs have never been able to catch up on that front – whatever their technical merits are.

]]> Comment on VMWare acquisition of SpringSource: thoughts. by Si chen http://sacha.labourey.com/2009/08/13/vmware-acquisition-of-springsource-thoughts/#comment-1460 Si chen Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:54:10 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=378#comment-1460 This reminds me of a quote from an old Matt Groening comic book called "Love is Hell": "Why buy the loaf when you can get slices for free?" I think it's great that VMWare wants to offer "Spring-as-a-Service", but what was the advantage of buying Springsource to do it? As a counterexample, Amazon's EC2 offers you Linux in the cloud, but they didn't buy Ubuntu. They just offered Ubuntu, along with Red Hat, Windows, and any other OS you'd want. Sorry but did I miss something important here? This reminds me of a quote from an old Matt Groening comic book called “Love is Hell”:
“Why buy the loaf when you can get slices for free?”

I think it’s great that VMWare wants to offer “Spring-as-a-Service”, but what was the advantage of buying Springsource to do it?

As a counterexample, Amazon’s EC2 offers you Linux in the cloud, but they didn’t buy Ubuntu. They just offered Ubuntu, along with Red Hat, Windows, and any other OS you’d want.

Sorry but did I miss something important here?

]]> Comment on SUN vs./and ORCL: the failure of the dual licensing model? by Si chen http://sacha.labourey.com/2009/10/25/sun-vs-and-orcl-the-failure-of-the-dual-licensing-model/#comment-1459 Si chen Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:19:44 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=406#comment-1459 Sacha, This sounds like the kind of clever schemes that James Bond villains come up with, but I'm afraid it might not work much better than a Dr. Evil plan either: They'd be killing off the OEM business they bought from MySQL, without being really able to kill off open source databases in general. There's still postgresql, derby, etc., and another open source database can always spring up, right? So why would they want to do this? Sacha,

This sounds like the kind of clever schemes that James Bond villains come up with, but I’m afraid it might not work much better than a Dr. Evil plan either: They’d be killing off the OEM business they bought from MySQL, without being really able to kill off open source databases in general. There’s still postgresql, derby, etc., and another open source database can always spring up, right? So why would they want to do this?

]]> Comment on SUN vs./and ORCL: the failure of the dual licensing model? by Sacha http://sacha.labourey.com/2009/10/25/sun-vs-and-orcl-the-failure-of-the-dual-licensing-model/#comment-1457 Sacha Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:34:33 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=406#comment-1457 agreed. JDBC drivers used to be licensed under the LGPL btw and MySQL changed that at some point. agreed. JDBC drivers used to be licensed under the LGPL btw and MySQL changed that at some point.

]]> Comment on SUN vs./and ORCL: the failure of the dual licensing model? by Brian Aker http://sacha.labourey.com/2009/10/25/sun-vs-and-orcl-the-failure-of-the-dual-licensing-model/#comment-1456 Brian Aker Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:11:50 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=406#comment-1456 Hi! I'm no fan of dual licensing, but what I don't get is why a number of the OEM vendors complain about paying the licensing fees for the drivers. You have a choice, either pay for the drivers, or write your own. If you write your own then the problem goes away. PHP has distributed non-GPL MySQL drivers over the years. Redhat has done this off and on,... If you don't want to pay for access to the drivers then you just need to write your own. Cheers, -Brian BTW this assumes you aren't using libmysqld or shipping the server with your product. Almost no one ever has ever used libmysqld (if you are, you should probably be using SQLite), and the Internet really removes the need for you to ship the database with your product. Hi!

I’m no fan of dual licensing, but what I don’t get is why a number of the OEM vendors complain about paying the licensing fees for the drivers. You have a choice, either pay for the drivers, or write your own. If you write your own then the problem goes away.

PHP has distributed non-GPL MySQL drivers over the years. Redhat has done this off and on,… If you don’t want to pay for access to the drivers then you just need to write your own.

Cheers,
-Brian

BTW this assumes you aren’t using libmysqld or shipping the server with your product. Almost no one ever has ever used libmysqld (if you are, you should probably be using SQLite), and the Internet really removes the need for you to ship the database with your product.

]]> Comment on SUN vs./and ORCL: the failure of the dual licensing model? by Sacha http://sacha.labourey.com/2009/10/25/sun-vs-and-orcl-the-failure-of-the-dual-licensing-model/#comment-1454 Sacha Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:19:49 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=406#comment-1454 agreed agreed

]]> Comment on SUN vs./and ORCL: the failure of the dual licensing model? by Seun Osewa http://sacha.labourey.com/2009/10/25/sun-vs-and-orcl-the-failure-of-the-dual-licensing-model/#comment-1453 Seun Osewa Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:41:46 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=406#comment-1453 If not for the dual license, the founders would not have had anything to sell, MySQL's marketing budget would be zero, and we would all be using PostgreSQL. You can't eat your cash and still own the code! If not for the dual license, the founders would not have had anything to sell, MySQL’s marketing budget would be zero, and we would all be using PostgreSQL. You can’t eat your cash and still own the code!

]]> Comment on JavaOne 2010? Dead or slow moving? (like, really really slow) by Rich Sharples' Blog » Blog Archive » 5 Reasons to submit a paper for JBoss World 2010 http://sacha.labourey.com/2010/01/13/javaone-2010-dead-or-slow-moving-like-really-really-slow/#comment-1451 Rich Sharples' Blog » Blog Archive » 5 Reasons to submit a paper for JBoss World 2010 Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:03:43 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=427#comment-1451 [...] very likely IMHO that there won’t be a Java One this year – if you are looking for an opportunity to talk about what you’re doing with [...] [...] very likely IMHO that there won’t be a Java One this year – if you are looking for an opportunity to talk about what you’re doing with [...]

]]> Comment on AS 5.0.0: we are done. Next. by JBoss AS 5.0.0.GA is available « ModeShape http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/12/05/as-500-we-are-done-next/#comment-1450 JBoss AS 5.0.0.GA is available « ModeShape Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:59:12 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=231#comment-1450 [...] 5.0.0.GA has been released. It’s been a long time coming. Dimitris made the announcement, and Sacha describes what this means for the whole of [...] [...] 5.0.0.GA has been released. It’s been a long time coming. Dimitris made the announcement, and Sacha describes what this means for the whole of [...]

]]> Comment on EE6 has been approved, yet… by Tony http://sacha.labourey.com/2009/12/03/ee6-has-been-approved-yet/#comment-1442 Tony Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:09:40 +0000 http://sacha.labourey.com/?p=417#comment-1442 Agreed Sacha. I thought the article might give more insight into why they didn't vote. Agreed Sacha. I thought the article might give more insight into why they didn’t vote.

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