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		<title>By: Red Hat Magazine &#124; JBoss Application Server 5 CR1&#160;available</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-1213</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Hat Magazine &#124; JBoss Application Server 5 CR1&#160;available</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first candidate release (CR1) for JBoss Application Server 5 has been released. There is a lot of good background from Sacha Labourey and feature details from project lead Dimitris Andreadis. Now that version 5 of the new application [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Most Awaited JBoss 5.0 soon to come :) &#171; Enterprise Computing and Interoperability</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-1149</link>
		<dc:creator>Most Awaited JBoss 5.0 soon to come :) &#171; Enterprise Computing and Interoperability</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Most Awaited JBoss 5.0 soon to come&#160;:) Posted in JBoss by interopy on June 30th, 2008   Check out the following links: JBoss AS 5.0 status: http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Most Awaited JBoss 5.0 soon to come&nbsp;:) Posted in JBoss by interopy on June 30th, 2008   Check out the following links: JBoss AS 5.0 status: <a href="http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/" rel="nofollow">http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sacha</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-1142</link>
		<dc:creator>Sacha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 06:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Deepak,

We&#039;ll have an admin console. But quite frankly, and I am probably a bit alone in that situation, but I think this is just hog wash. I mean, people need REAL PRODUCTION tools, not a cute toy to see which JDBC driver has been installed in their AS. If you are developing an application, checking whether you have a JDBC driver is probably 1 per thousands of the real work you need to do,  no? I don&#039;t get it. As a developer, I never ever cared about that at least. While JON is really good and its feature list is impressive.

As for the need for a database, if you just want to &quot;configure&quot; the size of your DB pool, fine. But JON is more than that and provides a pretty impressive feature set in terms of centralized monitoring. And guess what: you need to potentially store a LOT of information coming from all nodes of your deployment(s), query that information, etc. That&#039;s why we need a DB. Now, show me a decent monitoring solution (with the ability to query the past) which doesn&#039;t rely on a DB :)

Cheers,


sacha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Deepak,</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll have an admin console. But quite frankly, and I am probably a bit alone in that situation, but I think this is just hog wash. I mean, people need REAL PRODUCTION tools, not a cute toy to see which JDBC driver has been installed in their AS. If you are developing an application, checking whether you have a JDBC driver is probably 1 per thousands of the real work you need to do,  no? I don&#8217;t get it. As a developer, I never ever cared about that at least. While JON is really good and its feature list is impressive.</p>
<p>As for the need for a database, if you just want to &#8220;configure&#8221; the size of your DB pool, fine. But JON is more than that and provides a pretty impressive feature set in terms of centralized monitoring. And guess what: you need to potentially store a LOT of information coming from all nodes of your deployment(s), query that information, etc. That&#8217;s why we need a DB. Now, show me a decent monitoring solution (with the ability to query the past) which doesn&#8217;t rely on a DB <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>sacha</p>
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		<title>By: deepak</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-1139</link>
		<dc:creator>deepak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sun&#039;s GlassFish has definitely hit a homerun with it&#039;s admin console.
I am at hard to understand why JBoss does not understand the importance of good admin console and features making admin&#039;s life easier.

I hope JOPR would do good. I tried JON/Jopr sometime back and I was bummed by the fact that it needs a database to install JON. This is a big bummer. Does any other J2EE appserver&#039;s admin console ( WebLogic/WebSphere/GlassFish) needs a db to run admin console ?
No!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sun&#8217;s GlassFish has definitely hit a homerun with it&#8217;s admin console.<br />
I am at hard to understand why JBoss does not understand the importance of good admin console and features making admin&#8217;s life easier.</p>
<p>I hope JOPR would do good. I tried JON/Jopr sometime back and I was bummed by the fact that it needs a database to install JON. This is a big bummer. Does any other J2EE appserver&#8217;s admin console ( WebLogic/WebSphere/GlassFish) needs a db to run admin console ?<br />
No!!!</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-904</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, 

That annotation should definitely work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, </p>
<p>That annotation should definitely work.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Arnold</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-397</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;JBoss AS 4.2/EAP4.x already provides compatibility with the key EE5 specs (including EJB3)&quot;

Our testing of AS 4.2 indicates that it does not support the @EBJ annotation? Isn&#039;t that part of the EJB3 spec?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;JBoss AS 4.2/EAP4.x already provides compatibility with the key EE5 specs (including EJB3)&#8221;</p>
<p>Our testing of AS 4.2 indicates that it does not support the @EBJ annotation? Isn&#8217;t that part of the EJB3 spec?</p>
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		<title>By: JBoss AS is now EE5 certified! &#171; Sacha&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator>JBoss AS is now EE5 certified! &#171; Sacha&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] AS is now EE5&#160;certified! September 15, 2008 Posted by Sacha in JBoss.  trackback  As promised a few weeks back, we just released JBoss AS 5.0CR2. Two of our main CR2 release criteria were i) full EE5 TCK [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Red Hat Magazine &#124; JBoss Application Server 5 CR1 available</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-366</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Hat Magazine &#124; JBoss Application Server 5 CR1 available</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first candidate release (CR1) for JBoss Application Server 5 has been released. There is a lot of good background from Sacha Labourey and feature details from project lead Dimitris Andreadis. Now that version 5 of the new application [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pedro Solorzano</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Solorzano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Peter, it was the Reference Implementation of the Specification. It is easy to say that from a product standpoint JBoss is clearly the best, but that statement needs some kind of proof, some kind of study behind it. There is a lot of proofs that actually GlassFish is superior to JBoss, not only for the EE5 maturity, just take a look at specj. JBoss doesn&#039;t even show up in there. GlassFish had the commercial closed source problem when it was Sun Java System AS, but now, it is open source, free for production use and enterprise class quality as it was from the beginning. Clearly it is the best shot, and I am willing to discuss about that anywhere.

Congratulations on JBoss team for finally have a RC with EE5 TCK. If it pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Peter, it was the Reference Implementation of the Specification. It is easy to say that from a product standpoint JBoss is clearly the best, but that statement needs some kind of proof, some kind of study behind it. There is a lot of proofs that actually GlassFish is superior to JBoss, not only for the EE5 maturity, just take a look at specj. JBoss doesn&#8217;t even show up in there. GlassFish had the commercial closed source problem when it was Sun Java System AS, but now, it is open source, free for production use and enterprise class quality as it was from the beginning. Clearly it is the best shot, and I am willing to discuss about that anywhere.</p>
<p>Congratulations on JBoss team for finally have a RC with EE5 TCK. If it pass.</p>
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		<title>By: JBoss Newsletter &#124; July 2008 &#124; Kaizenlog</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>JBoss Newsletter &#124; July 2008 &#124; Kaizenlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read my blog to gain more insight into how the JBoss Microcontainer abstracts us from the runtime environment. In the end, it&#8217;s all about focusing on customer choice. RC2 will be following very soon. Read the Q&amp;A on Jboss AS 5.0 with project lead Dimitris Andreadis to get more information on the many new features in JBoss AS 5.0. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Read my blog to gain more insight into how the JBoss Microcontainer abstracts us from the runtime environment. In the end, it&#8217;s all about focusing on customer choice. RC2 will be following very soon. Read the Q&amp;A on Jboss AS 5.0 with project lead Dimitris Andreadis to get more information on the many new features in JBoss AS 5.0. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Clingan</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-352</link>
		<dc:creator>John Clingan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, GlassFish passed the Java EE 5 TCK mid-2006.

John Clingan
GlassFish Product Line Manager</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, GlassFish passed the Java EE 5 TCK mid-2006.</p>
<p>John Clingan<br />
GlassFish Product Line Manager</p>
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		<title>By: JBoss AS 5.0 RC1 σε μερικες μερες! &#124; zero.gr</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>JBoss AS 5.0 RC1 σε μερικες μερες! &#124; zero.gr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Red Hat δια στόματος της Sacha Labourey (υπεύθυνη του τμήματος Jboss) ανακοίνωσε την [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JBoss plays the choice card &#171; rand($thoughts);</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-347</link>
		<dc:creator>JBoss plays the choice card &#171; rand($thoughts);</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Geronimo, JBoss, Open Source, WebSphere &#124; Tags: JBoss, Open Source, WebSphere &#124; &#160;  News from Sacha (and covered by InfoWorld) that JBoss Application Server 5.0 is close to GA kicked off a debate at [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Long-awaited JBoss AS 5.0 moves closer to release date &#124; InfoWorld &#124; News &#124; 2008-07-02 &#124; By Chris Kanaracus, IDG News Service</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Long-awaited JBoss AS 5.0 moves closer to release date &#124; InfoWorld &#124; News &#124; 2008-07-02 &#124; By Chris Kanaracus, IDG News Service</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] AS5.0 RC1 just got frozen and will be released this week,&quot; Labourey wrote. A second release candidate should be ready in six to seven weeks, and general availability will [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] AS5.0 RC1 just got frozen and will be released this week,&#8221; Labourey wrote. A second release candidate should be ready in six to seven weeks, and general availability will [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sacha</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-343</link>
		<dc:creator>Sacha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter,

The Glassifsh team did indeed a good job at generating buzz. However, from an product standpoint, we are clearly the best :)

Onward,


Sacha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,</p>
<p>The Glassifsh team did indeed a good job at generating buzz. However, from an product standpoint, we are clearly the best <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Onward,</p>
<p>Sacha</p>
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		<title>By: laststation.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Status of JBoss AS 5</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>laststation.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Status of JBoss AS 5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I don&#8217;t want to jump to conclusions, but my gloomy prediction about next major release of JBoss Application Server might not be correct. For more information check out Sacha Labourey&#8217;s status update. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I don&#8217;t want to jump to conclusions, but my gloomy prediction about next major release of JBoss Application Server might not be correct. For more information check out Sacha Labourey&#8217;s status update. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Bilyan</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Bilyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to see a comparison of JBoss to Glassfish - the latter seems to be getting lots of buzz, and all my Java developers friends are talking about how much farther ahead it is than JBoss. Is there a comparison you can point to? Does Glassfish pass the TCK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see a comparison of JBoss to Glassfish &#8211; the latter seems to be getting lots of buzz, and all my Java developers friends are talking about how much farther ahead it is than JBoss. Is there a comparison you can point to? Does Glassfish pass the TCK?</p>
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		<title>By: Most Awaited JBoss 5.0 soon to come :) &#124; Ranjan Kumar</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-335</link>
		<dc:creator>Most Awaited JBoss 5.0 soon to come :) &#124; Ranjan Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] JBoss AS 5.0 status: http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] JBoss AS 5.0 status: <a href="http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/" rel="nofollow">http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Sharples&#8217; Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; JBoss AS 5.0 CR1 almost baked</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Sharples&#8217; Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; JBoss AS 5.0 CR1 almost baked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sacha (JBoss&#8217; CTO) has blogged his thoughts on AS 5 and recalls some of the history of it&#8217;s inception. Dimitris Adreadis  (the JBoss AS lead developer) was interviewed on InfoQ and talks about some of the main features and his views on the prosposed Java EE 6 profiles and OSGi. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sacha (JBoss&#8217; CTO) has blogged his thoughts on AS 5 and recalls some of the history of it&#8217;s inception. Dimitris Adreadis  (the JBoss AS lead developer) was interviewed on InfoQ and talks about some of the main features and his views on the prosposed Java EE 6 profiles and OSGi. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sacha</title>
		<link>http://sacha.labourey.com/2008/06/28/jboss-as-50-status/#comment-333</link>
		<dc:creator>Sacha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dimitris,

True. Actually, the MC+Friends can be seen as an extension of layer 1 for JBoss&#039;s runtimes. Thanks to its SPIs (and growing), it non only provides bytecode and core-API abstraction but also enterprise-services abstraction. Bottom line, if we ever wanted to have JBoss Portal running in Weblogic, we would first port JBoss Portal to the MC and then provide a set of WebLogic MC SPIs-implementations. Once these WL-specific MC SPIs are made available, any MC-based runtime could then be hosted on WL, etc.

Ovidiu,

Dimitris is best to answer. But most of the work is around polishing, reducing the testsuite errors to 0, TCK to 100%, fixing known bugs, etc. The area that needs the most attention is the new profile service and its impact on closely related services (management) as well as the open source management console. EJB3, as the king consumer of SPIs is also closely watched: its central location (in term of SPI consumption) gives it pretty much a role of global AS/EE testsuite as well. 

Detailed information can be found in JIRA: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBAS?report=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project:roadmap-panel

Cheers,


Sacha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dimitris,</p>
<p>True. Actually, the MC+Friends can be seen as an extension of layer 1 for JBoss&#8217;s runtimes. Thanks to its SPIs (and growing), it non only provides bytecode and core-API abstraction but also enterprise-services abstraction. Bottom line, if we ever wanted to have JBoss Portal running in Weblogic, we would first port JBoss Portal to the MC and then provide a set of WebLogic MC SPIs-implementations. Once these WL-specific MC SPIs are made available, any MC-based runtime could then be hosted on WL, etc.</p>
<p>Ovidiu,</p>
<p>Dimitris is best to answer. But most of the work is around polishing, reducing the testsuite errors to 0, TCK to 100%, fixing known bugs, etc. The area that needs the most attention is the new profile service and its impact on closely related services (management) as well as the open source management console. EJB3, as the king consumer of SPIs is also closely watched: its central location (in term of SPI consumption) gives it pretty much a role of global AS/EE testsuite as well. </p>
<p>Detailed information can be found in JIRA: <a href="http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBAS?report=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project:roadmap-panel" rel="nofollow">http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBAS?report=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project:roadmap-panel</a></p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Sacha</p>
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